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Re: [linrad] RE: Linrad and Fedora Core 3

Hi, Leif,

Actually I am still VERY interested in Fedora Core 3.

As you recall, it installed completely in about 30 minutes and worked with XWindows and everything except svgalib.

So far I have spent about 20 hours on Mandrake, Debian, Ubuntu and have yet to have anyone of them work with xwindows.

Today I found that Ubuntu couldn't start Xwindows, but it DID find the network card OK.  It wouldn't let me set the root password [I later discovered that the default mode is to have no root set up] and I decided to try "Sarge"

Debian "Sarge" found the network, but wouldn't start X windows.  I figured out how to get to an ftp site to download a new version of XFree86, but didn't know my version of glibc, which was apparently necessary, so I just gave up after trying several suggestions on how to figure that out, none of which worked.

I decided to work on things I really need to work right now, and moved on to other things.

So if there is a way to keep FC3 working with svgalib, I AM VERY INTERESTED.  None of the other flavors of Linux have gotten as far here.  and the ratio of time spent to get a non-working Non-Fedora Linux installation  vs a working Fedora Installation is about 40:1 at this point!!

So I am going to read your post carefully and see if I can get Fedora to work.

Thanks and 73,


> Hi Roger,
> > Unfortunately, I still have the problem after rebooting.
> > 
> OK. I know now it is because the /dev/svga files are missing.
> The solution I adapted was to run the svga file.
> I put copies and links as in Makefile.ext which might
> be part of the next Linrad version. (Unless Matan 
> releases a new version that makes it superfluous)
> Afterwords I got the following from Matan:
> > I use FC3, and don't have this problem. FC3 uses udev, which creates 
> > the devices automatically when the modules is inserted. 
> > Do you run modprobe svgalib_helper, or trust kmod to load the module? 
> > udev does not support this method, since the devices are not there 
> > before the module is loaded.
> >
> > Anyway, since udev creates the /dev/ directory every boot, if you want a 
> > permanent device that udev does not create for some reason, run
> > 
> > cp -a /dev/svga* /etc/udev/devices
> >
> > Since udev (or fedora startup scripts) copy devices from there to /dev 
> > on boot.
> Maybe using modprobe rather than insmod makes something automatically?
> I tried svgalib-1.9.19 on several old distributions and it does not
> work. I have sent error messages to Matan, maybe he can fix it easily.
> I think it is valuable to keep backwards compatibility and make
> Linrad easy to use on elderly computers. None of the modern distributions
> runs directly on my old Pentium although it is fully adequate for 
> Linrad with 5 kHz bandwidth. Maybe if I recompile the kernels for it
> on another computer.....
> The old svgalib-1.4.3 can still be used (of course) but its VESA driver
> is so hopelessly slow.
> Roger, I guess you are no longer interested in Fedora Core 3 judging 
> all the posts on the list about other alternatives, but I try to ensure
> Linrad will work under any distribution.......
> 73
>   Leif / SM5BSZ

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