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[linrad] Re: MAP65 Experiment



Hi Joe and all,

Sorry to be a bit slow in responding. I have been traveling since last week, and it seems that you have largely answered your own question.
The polarization-matching capabilities of the Linrad-MAP65 
combination depend on having a two-channel receiver.  Any 
mixing in the Rx chain must be done using the same local 
oscillator in both channels, so as to maintain phase 
properly.  Single-channel systems like the SDR-1000, SDR-14, 
and SDR-IQ can't satisfy this requirement.  (Of course, they 
still make excellent single-channel receivers, and can 
provide all of the MAP65 capabilities except 
polarization-matching.)
Leif has some examples of relatively simple and inexpensive 
down-converters on his web site.  Something like a pair of 
"Soft-Rock" boards would also do the job well, if modified 
so that the mixers on two boards are driven by the same LO.
	-- 73, Joe, K1JT

Joe Barger wrote:
After reading the "Polarization question" thread that Joe started, reviewing the WSE architecture, and thinking about the problem more, my quick and dirty approach to getting linrad/MAP65 with polarization probably won't work. Calibration using Dphi may compensate for initial phase errors between the two RX channels, but the phase errors introduced by the SDR-1000 (and transverter) LOs drifting at different rates would quickly degrade performance. Using the same (low phase noise, etc.) clock for each conversion stage appears necessary to preserve phase information. Probably obvious to those who have thought about this for more than a microsecond, but ...
WSE is really nice solution, but with one kid in college and another 
close behind, it's a bit out of my price range at the moment.  There's 
an external 10 MHz frequency input for the SDR-1000 so both SDR-1000s 
can be run from the same frequency reference, but I'll have to 
investigate potential transverter/down-converter solutions.  What 
hardware are others using to solve the problem?
joe n6kk


----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Barger" <barger@xxxxxxxx>
To: "Linrad mailinglist" <linrad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: [linrad] MAP65 Experiment


I'm thinking about how to easily adapt my EME station to take advantage of MAP65, initially receive only.
The receive side my station consists of two phased yagis, preamp, 
Elecraft 144 transverter, and SDR-1000.  I'm considering removing the 
power splitter, rotating one of the yagis 90 degrees and duplicating 
the receive components to have duplicate H and V RX paths.
My main questions involve how closely the two RX paths must match in 
amplitude, phase and frequency.  Amplitude I can probably adjust 
reasonably well in the SDR-1000, and I can probably adjust the RX 
frequency in both SDR-1000s to initially be pretty close, but the 
SDR-1000s are not locked to the same LO so they will drift apart after 
some period of time.  In addition, the relative phasing will be 
unknown and probably also change over time.  Hopefully amplitude will 
remain fairly stable.
I think Dphi will compensate for initial phase errors between the 
channels, but how sensitive is the system to drift between the two 
SDR-1000 LOs (and corresponding phase and frequency errors)?  I think 
the SDR-1000s (and transverters) will stay within a couple hundred 
hertz of each other for a reasonable period of time, but if the 
relative frequency and phase in the two channels must stay locked to 
within a few hertz/degrees then I think there is no hope with this 
approach.  I'll probably just have to wait for a couple of the HPSDR 
Mercury boards ... or buy another SDR-IQ (if the LOs can be locked ... 
I don't remember if they can).
If this hardware approach works, the next issue will be how to get two 
instances of PowerSDR, one linrad and one MAP65 all working happily on 
the computer resources I have ...
Thanks

joe n6kk






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