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Re: [linrad] Real Linux Users

Hi John and others,

Thanks for your email, John.

Let me state again that the purpose of my email was to help people getting
a Linux software distribution.

The following factors went into this:

Downloading some 1500 - 2000 MB of data is:
- time consuming in particular with a dial up
- can be costly for people that have to pay by the minute for access
as often is the case outside the US.
- prices from USD 5.- to what ever seem to me a good deal ( My pure rivate opinion )
- the prices for the red or blue boxes are going up and up. There is certainly
added value there and here in the US, we have free enterprise so we can all
select and pay or not pay as we like.
- I have known for years that Linux and linux code is freeware in principle
and can be often found on the internet or FTP sites etc etc
- we are radio amateurs and often like to do things on the cheap.
download time ( free ot not ) vs anywhere from 29.95 to 79.55 vs
couple of dollars or EU's

My question was and is : What is wrong with the Mandrake distribution?

I have noticed a certain underlying resistance towards Mandrake.
As if it is something that is for amateurs or idiots ( take PA0ZN as a
good example for those ) You see, I stay away from the "real" expression here.

I know that I am not a programmer, and do not pretend to be one, and even
am happy not to be one, the way the jobs are exported to Asia....

It is just that I am curious about the status of Mandrake in lets call it,
the Profession.

BTW "PC" is a well known and often used expression in the US and by now, other
countries that follow US trends, and as said it stands for "Politically Correct"
and not Personal Computer or even MAC in This connection.

I am not out here for a fight or a discussion about Windows vs Unix or Linux
or even PC vs Mac.

Radio amateurs and that is what most of us are here, are supposed to be friendly
and helpful towards each other ( From vintage ARRL Handbooks ) and that was true
a long time ago.

73 Rein W6/PA0ZN

John Harrison, NI1B wrote:

Hi Rein,

Great comment :))

Will the real linux users please stand up. Great. :))))

I started with Slackware, then RedHat, now a bunch of others.

Getting the peripherals to run right is "the" problem. Only because
Microsoft has coerced many to hide behind Microsoft's "closed" source

That said once you get something to run, linux runs better in every way
(IMHO :)

Still getting network, video, mouse and audio to all run is "the"

We just need to do a linux friendly "real" audio interface. The rest is
cake. Guess what I have been collecting parts for? Takes a while. Maybe
someone will beat me to the punch. Stay tuned :)))

Once you get linux running right, you will NEVER go back. Don't forget
to check out wine ("wine is not an emulator").

warm regards,

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003, Rein A. Smit wrote:

Hello All,

Earlier, there was a remark made about Mandrake not being the "right" or perhaps
"PC" ( Political Correct ) distribution.
Could I get some more feedback on that? Is it possibly too easy to work with for
real Linux users?
Also, I put up the note to make you aware that it is not necessary to spend MicroSoft like prices to get a nice CD set.

73 Rein W6/PA0ZN

Richard Bown wrote:

Hi All
comments on Mandrake.

I have had difficulty with an ATI Radeon card getting linrad to run, but
on a standard graphics card it compiles and looks like it will run, and
thats on Mandrake 9.2 , the release date is the start of November.
That was using vgalib 1.4.3 installed as a RPM.
The RPM for this is in the old distro part of the mandrake site, last
distro'd with MDK8.1.

MDK9.2 download edition is free, but you will find the mirrors are
heavily clogged, If you do decide to go for MDK9.2 wait a month or so as there have been
a few minor bugs with some of the apps, both Gnome and KDE.

MDK 9.2 is available to download as a torrent, which is fairly quick.

Should you download MDK9.2 use the Icemaker window manager to start with
, download the updates, then restart in either Gnome or KDE.

One of the problems is a menu problem in both Gnome and KDE, and as the
download sites are VERY heavily used with a new distro, downloading the
upgrades during install or upgrade fails due to time out.

Apart from the odd teething trouble Mandrake 9.2 is a very nice distro..

Richard G8JVM

On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 05:06, Rein A. Smit wrote:

Hi All,

Linux comes in different distributions and prices. I like to inform those who are
thinking about getting a Linux distribution to run Linrad or other linux programs
about the following:

Go to :


and search for "Mandrake Linux"
Disclaimer: I have NO interests in EBay nor Mandrake.
Nor do I quite understand what is going on here and has been going on for some time.
From what I read it appears that Mandrake Linux is very similar to Red Hat, the best selling
Linux distribution.
I use one of the older Mandrake CD packages from eBay with Linrad and found it very easy to install..

73 Rein, W6/PA0ZN